Is Kenneth Copeland SAVED?




Is Kenneth Copeland SAVED?



Is the televangelist Kenneth Copeland even saved?In extending the “Are the Copelands Biblically Qualified for Ministry?” section of the Table of Contents page, it is necessary to begin with the obvious: Is Kenneth Copeland really saved? Is his family saved? Obviously, this is a MAJOR biblical prerequisite for Christian ministry!

So herein we will explore this extremely important issue in some detail, by examining the behavior of the Copeland family, and the facts that surround their alleged “ministry,” in the light of God’s holy Word. We will look at what the government investigation has found so far in regard to the Copelands’ use of donor funds for their own personal gain, as well as some things to which we ourselves are privy to directly. We will also review several investigative news report videos for further details.

Obviously, this is the MOST important article that we have posted to date here on this website. We do not offer to you these facts—or our analysis thereof—lightly. Therefore, please review this information both prayerfully and with all seriousness—i.e. with proper regard to the eternal consequences of the solemn matters being discussed herein.

However, before we can get into the details regarding the Copelands themselves, we need to first discuss the overall purpose of the redemptive project, and then cover some theological foundations. At that point, we will be ready to focus upon the Copelands specifically and ponder this question, along with its eternal ramifications—that is, regarding the current state of their immortal souls.

UPDATE! (January 18, 2013): In addition to the points brought forward within this article, we have just launched a new “Freemasonry and the Copeland Family” section within our Table of Contents page. The first article of that series, Are the Copelands FREEMASONS?: Separating Fact from Fallacy, has already been published, and more articles will soon follow. So the question “Is Kenneth Copeland SAVED?” (as this present article asks), should probably be expanded to, “Were ANY of the Copelands EVER saved?” in the light of the evidence that the new series will bring forth.)


A Redemptive Project

From the very beginning, this website and its related efforts, have been completely focused on the same agenda that God has demonstrated throughout His Word: Redemption. As we stated quite clearly within the About page on this website:

The premise behind is exactly what the byline says at the top of every page: Donna and I, along with our family, and those who work with us in ministry, are calling on Kenneth Copeland, his family, and ministry, to simply repent. As you proceed through this blog’s articles and videos—which begins on the Table of Contents page—you will readily see the redemption-focused nature of our efforts.

Of course, since we have actually known and worked with Kenneth Copeland personally, our insights into his ministry and practices makes this public rebuke far different that those of others on the Internet.

Please also keep in mind that this is a “minister to errant-minister” open rebuke (i.e. very similar to the one recorded within Galatians chapter 2)….

Certainly, that expressed purpose is simple…clear…and quite biblical.

Of course, that is the goal of our most enthusiastic advocates to this project as well. We are all working together in order to see the Copeland family to repent of their many documentable sins (e.g. lying, fraud, heresy, etc.) while simultaneously warning others to stay away from what we believe to be a “wolf pack” that “hunts sheep” (i.e. defrauding God’s people in order to exploit them for their own self-serving purposes).

As for those who are guilty and persist in sin, rebuke and admonish them in the presence of all, so that the rest may be warned and stand in wholesome awe and fear.

(1 Timothy 5:20, Amplified Bible)

That said, Donna and I are too often quite appalled to see some “professing” Christians around on the Internet who actually seem to want the Copeland family to go to Hell! Oh, how disgusting a thought! Do these people not know what Hell is like? Have they never read the terrible descriptions of the Lake of Fire—the final destination of the damned? Where is their concern for the souls of our fellow human beings? Dear God! We cannot imagine EVER wishing that someone would be eternally damned! The Word of God says that Jesus went to the Cross specifically to prevent such a thing—if the person will accept His grace by faith and genuine repentance:

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

(2 Peter 3:9, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

(Luke 24:46-47, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

(Acts 26:20, NKJV, emphasis mine)

ONLY an abominable and villainous person WANTS to see the blood-bought plan of redemption thwarted in the life of ANY person! That is such a hideous thought! And it certainly cannot be pleasing to the Lord Jesus Who suffered excruciating torture so that those people would NOT have to go to Hell when they die, in order to await their final judgment!

I think Charles Spurgeon perhaps had the best insight about such people who claim to be Christians, and yet have such an ungodly disregard for the souls of men:

Have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you’re not saved yourself, be sure of that!

Oh, my friend…consider the words of brother Spurgeon above! Please check your own heart, and if you find it cold toward the eternal state of others, consider the state of your own soul! Unless you repent yourself of such a wicked heart, YOU may have the SAME eternal destination awaiting YOU as those who you wish to see damned!


“Supporters”? Really?

As hideous a thing it surely is that someone could actually WISH that another be damned, it is just as abominable that some people can be indifferent to such a plight. I am amazed when I come across those who make excuses for others who—according to the Scriptures—are presently sinning their way to Hell. As “Mr. Anzalone” so coldheartedly stated in a comment to me (which full comment we featured within my article When Wolves Remove Their Clothes):

I am so upset at your blog against Brother Copeland…. [Whether] you are right or wrong. This is not the issue….

Whether we are “right or wrong” is NOT the issue?

Let’s put this into perspective: Whether we are RIGHT or WRONG about the Copelands going to HELL is NOT an issue that should be examined thoroughly for THEIR sakes? If we are RIGHT about their many documentable sins…then there is a HUGE chance that they are going to spend eternity in a Lake of Fire—if they do not repent! That is NOT “the” issue??? HOW STUPID! How UTTERLY COLD and HEARTLESS!

Oh, but again we need to look to Mr. Spurgeon’s bold observation! He so truthfully observed, “Have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you’re not saved yourself, be sure of that!” Can any person so unconcerned about the souls of the Copelands be saved themselves? Truly, the Lord Jesus spoke also of such fake “religious” people when He said:

Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

“These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.”

(Matthew 15:7-8, NKJV)

Whenever an alleged “Copeland supporter” contacts us in an attempt to dissuade us from our redemptive project, we know that we have ACTUALLY heard from a selfish person who has NO genuine concern for the Copelands and their spiritual welfare. These people are motivate by their OWN self-serving agendas, and could not care less if the Copelands go to Hell or not! Why is that? Because these idolatrous people do not have enough sense to be concerned about their OWN souls either!

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you…And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

(2 Peter 2:1-2 excerpt, NKJV)

To such indifferent people, the Copelands are simply the “sacred calves” that they worship as they seek their own “blessing” from following these “ear tickling” false ministers (note 2 Timothy 4:1-5). So since we here at touch their “idol” with our redemptive efforts—and have even dared to suggest that the documentable sins of this family are sufficient grounds to be concerned for their souls—these “supporters” are enraged!

But should they not rather be CONCERNED??? Of course they SHOULD be!!! But such godly redemption-oriented thoughts never occur to such morally depraved people. They could not care anything about the Copelands souls because—as brother Spurgeon pointed out above—these alleged “supporters” are themselves blind to the fact that their own souls are in danger of damnation. If they do not have enough sense to care about their own fate, how can they care about the eternal fate of others?


Unconverted “Ministers”

But of course, we need to address the obvious question that many people will have by this point in reading this article, “How can the Copelands NOT be saved, when they are ministers?” Well first, this begs the question, “Are they REALLY ministers of Christ?” As we saw within the example of the 2 Peter citation further above, the Bible talks about “false” ministers of different kinds. Consequently, cannot conclude that simply calling oneself a “minister” proves that they have actually been born again.

More importantly, the Bible is very clear also that such false ministers are either people who were NEVER born again in the first place, or those who are “twice dead” because they have fallen away from the true faith of Jesus Christ. However, since we will cite such passages later within this article, I will refrain from discussing those in detail now. Instead, let us now take note that, throughout Church history, the understanding that there are actually “unsaved clergy” in the pulpits of Christian churches is not a new concept.

Please note what one of the celebrated evangelists of the First Great Awakening, George Whitefield, had to say on this subject:

“Unconverted Ministers” points made by George Whitefield

Divine Warnings:

…The Lord enabled me to open my mouth boldly against unconverted ministers; to caution tutors to take care of their pupils; and also to advise ministers particularly to examine the experience of candidates for ordination. For I am verily persuaded the generality of preachers talk of an unknown and un-felt Christ; and the reason why congregations have been so dead is, because they have had dead men preaching to them. O that the Lord may quicken and revive them, for His own name’s sake! For how can dead men beget living children? It is true, indeed, God may convert men by the devil, if He pleases, and so He may by unconverted ministers; but I believe He seldom makes use of either of them for this purpose. No, the Lord will choose vessels made meet by the operation of the blessed Spirit for His sacred use….

Strange Fire:

…Unspeakable freedom God gave me while treating on this head. In the afternoon, I preached on the Common to about fifteen thousand people. Just as I had finished my sermon, a note was put up to me, wherein I was desired to pray for a person just entered upon the ministry, but under apprehension that he was unconverted. God enabled me to pray for him with my whole heart; and I hope that note will teach many others not to run before they can give an account of their conversion. If they do, they offer God “strange fire.”…I insisted much in my discourse upon the change of the new birth, and also the necessity of a minister’s being converted before he could preach Christ aright….

Unconverted Ministers:

…The word came with great power, and a great impression was made upon the people in all parts of the assembly. Many ministers were present. I did not spare them. Most of them thanked me for my plain dealing. But one was offended; and so would more of his stamp if I were to continue long in New England. For unconverted ministers are the bane of the Christian Church….At dinner, the Spirit of the Lord came upon me again, and enabled me to speak with such vigour against sending unconverted persons into the ministry, that two ministers, with tears in their eyes, publicly confessed, that they had laid their hands on young men, without so much as asking them whether they were born again of God or not. After dinner, finding my heart much enlarged, I prayed, and with such power, that most in the room were put under concern….

George Whitefield (1714-1770, emphasis mine); Source

Now please note what one of the most effective evangelists of the Second Great Awakening, Charles G. Finney, had to say to a group of candidates for ordination at Oberlin College—men who were seeking to enter into the sacred work of ministry:

“Ordination Sermon” (of 1842) by Charles G. Finney

…Ministers should take heed to the motives by which they are actuated in entering upon the great work of the ministry. Be careful, brethren, that you make no mistake on this point. See that your eye is single to the glory of God—that disinterested benevolence [i.e. selfless benevolence toward others] be the actuating principle of your life. Unless your eye is single, and your intention supremely and disinterestedly benevolent, you are ungodly men, and have no business in the ministry.

Take heed then that you are truly converted men—not merely convicted sinners, but regenerate men, men whose hearts are right with God, and whose great motive in entering the ministry is to glorify God in the salvation of men. Remember if you are not converted men when you enter the ministry, you are almost certain to go to Hell yourselves, and, so far as you have influence, to take your hearers with you. And remember too that it is altogether too common, for it to be taken for granted on all hands that ministers are really converted men, I must say, and dare not say less, that every year’s experience and observation forces upon me more and more the conviction that it is becoming alarmingly common in these days of pressing so many young men into the ministry, for multitudes to enter upon that sacred office who are not truly regenerate men.

We have had, in this place, instances, not a few, of your men coming to this Institution to prepare for the ministry, who have turned out to have no religion at all—have been here convicted and for the first time converted—young men who had been supposed in Churches from which they came, and by which they were recommended, not only to be truly converted men, but your men of more than common piety, and promising candidates for the Christian ministry. And but for those powerful revivals in this Institution which broke up their delusions, numbers of them would no doubt have been this day, in all their sins, engaged in the sacred office of the ministry. Take heed then to yourselves, brethren, that you know what it is to be born of God, and that you know what it is to have an eye single to his glory in entering upon this sacred work….

Charles G. Finney (1792-1875, emphasis and bracketed note mine)

“Oh,” someone might protest, “but the Copelands are ‘Pentecostals’ and speak in other tongues. Those men you cited above were from denominations that did not practice that, so there is a difference!” Oh, is that true? Let us consider what Jesus said about some professing “Pentecostals” and “Charismatics” in regard to eternal damnation:

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?” And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”

(Matthew 7:21-23, NKJV, emphasis mine)

The first two “qualifications” that these damned souls above claimed for themselves were clearly “Pentecostal” and “Charismatic” practices—but yet they had “never” known the Lord! (Please note also that the third criteria of “good works” can include those practices found within other denominational traditions. Thus, it is not only “Pentecostals” or “Charismatics” that should take warning from the passage above.)

There is a genuine “tongues” just a there is genuine “prophecy” taught in the New Testament. But, my friend, there is ALSO such a thing as “fake tongues” just as much as there is “false prophecy.” A child can “mimic” speaking in tongues, and yet not have understood the Gospel nor actually been born again. Similarly, some have “spoken” in “tongues” merely because they were mimicking what their religious “tradition” told them…but according to Jesus, “many” of them will be shocked to know that they had never actually known Him as their Savior.

In fact, even a demoniac can speak in “other tongues”—people involved in the occult do it all the time!

So if you are relying upon the “Pentecostal” or “Charismatic” label to determine if the Copelands are saved—or even whether or not YOU are saved—then you are in very serious error. Obviously, such things CANNOT be biblical “tests” for salvation! (However, we will explore some “tests” later in this article that truly are scriptural.)

So in summary: The premise that the Copelands could have been in “active ministry” for many years—and yet, they might STILL be people that were either never born again, or which have perhaps fallen into apostasy and endangered their salvation—is a purely biblical concept, that has very deep roots within historical Christian theology.

Now let’s turn to consider the Scriptures more fully, and then begin our examination of the evidence that suggests very strongly that their souls are in danger…


False Profession of Faith

Building upon the foundation already laid above, we can now take this article to the next logical point to be made. So let us now discuss the too-often ignored theological fact from the Scriptures: Namely, that NOT everybody who CLAIMS to be a Christian, really is one.

To begin, please note again the terrifying words of Jesus Christ Himself:

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it….

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?” And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”

(Matthew 7:13-14 and 21-23, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Oh, the horror! It is very obvious from this declaration of Jesus that these terrified people had THOUGHT that they were Christians! These people had done “good works” on His behalf—or so they thought. Yet, despite their proclamations of Jesus’ Lordship and rehearsing of their religious deeds, Jesus tells them the fact of the matter which had escaped their notice up until this time: “I never knew you.”

Oh, the shock! These people THOUGHT that they were Christians, but the truth of the matter is that they had NEVER been born again! They had NEVER “known” the Lord intimately, DESPITE their religious speech and deeds. They had utterly failed to find the “narrow way” that leads to life, and discovered ONLY too late that they had lived on the “broad way” that leads to destruction and damnation!


False Brethren

Another related issue is the fact that the Bible discussed “false brethren,” or in other words, unsaved “imposters” who infiltrate the Church of Jesus Christ:

Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.”

(Galatians 2:3-5, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Notice that these “false brethren” sneaked in among God’s people! They did so “under cover.” These people were NOT genuine believers on the Lord Jesus Christ—and they KNEW that fact themselves! So what was their ungodly agenda? Note:

  • “To spy out our liberty.”
  • “To bring us into bondage.”

We will ignore the first one for this article, and instead focus only upon their MAIN purpose: Namely, “to bring us into bondage.” In Paul’s case, the people he was referencing had entered into the Church with the intention of commanding the Christians to be circumcised and to keep the Law of Moses (study the entire epistle of Galatians to see Paul’s full discourse on this subject by the Holy Spirit). This would, by necessity, cause them to lose their salvation by trusting in “works” for their salvation rather than in the finished work of Jesus upon the Cross—so this was a very critical issue (please note Galatians 5:1-4).

NEVERTHELESS: That is not the only kind of “false brother.” There are MANY false ministers today (as there were back then) who are not wanting merely to bring their captives under the power of their religious order (although that certainly still happens). Rather, the MAJORITY of such “false brethren” today seem to be those who want to exploit others for their own financial gain:

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber….They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness…For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

(An excerpt from 2 Peter chapter 2, NKJV, emphasis mine)

It is interesting to note how the King James Version of the Bible states verse three above as, “And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you.”

Driven by greed, they exploit those who they can lead captive by “feigned words.” Or as Paul expressed it in Romans 16:18, “For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.”

Have you been “simple” and led astray by any self-serving imposters? Continue to read and lets find out…

Did you notice the words that I put in bold type above within the 2 Peter passage? These “ministers” are like the greedy man named “Balaam” in the Scripture, who “for a price” was willing to teach the Moabites how to ensnare Israel and bring a curse upon them (click here to see all the Bible passages about Balaam). These false ministers “secretly” bring in their heresies. Thus, these “false” prophets and teachers are of the very same character as the “false brethren” that Paul discussed in Galatians so “stealthily came in” to do their dirty work.

GREED drives such false ministers, and they see the people of God as merely a source of material gain—to be “plundered” in order to satisfy their own worldly cravings. Does this kind of behavior happen to sound familiar? Does it perhaps sound similar to a biblical metaphor?


Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing

Sandwiched in between Jesus’ warning about the difference between the “narrow way” and His warning that NOT everybody who professes to be a Christian really is one, is this very important teaching about wolves:

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven….

(Matthew 7:13-21, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Please note: These “false prophets”—like the false teachers of 2 Peter—are VERY “ravenous.” The Greek word translated “ravenous” is “harpax” (Strong’s #727), which means literally “a robber, an extortioner”; and thus, by extension, “rapacious, ravenous” (Thayer’s Lexicon). And the English word “rapacious” actually means “given to seizing for plunder or the satisfaction of greed” (

Furthermore, Jesus said that these people are “wolves.” He used an analogy of a stupid animal to describe them! This calls to mind the very frank description of such ungodly people from Jude’s epistle:

But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

(Jude vs. 10-11, NKJV, emphasis mine… see also 2 Peter 2:14-16)

Greedy for gain, like unthinking animals, they “hunt” for those that they can exploit to their own “profit.” Money is their true “god” (Matthew 6:24), and mere instinct drives them to pursue ungodly gain by “devouring” the true “sheep” of God.

Ah, but Jesus did not stop there! He also said, “inwardly they are ravenous wolves.” The Lord has just explained that their TRUE inner nature is as a greedy wolf, and that any “sheep” behavior that they exhibit is merely an external pretense. They put on such outward “Christian behavior” in order to go hunting, because their true inner nature is that they are UNSAVED wolves. Thus, in the very next verse, twenty-one, He says:

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven….

Of course, we also saw above that there is a “narrow way” message from God’s Word that leads to life—but do you think such “wolves” would ever teach THAT message? No, they teach the “broad way” that leads to destruction instead. Why? Because it PAYS better (temporarily):

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!…

I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

(Excerpts from 2 Timothy chapters 3 and 4, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Are we in the last days? Yes, most of us realized that we are. And what is the carnal “message” of the last days that will be sought after by those who have “itching ears”? The “fables” that appeal to their own desires. The KJV of verse 4:3 above says, “but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers…”. In these last days there are some “lovers of money” who are willing to PAY false ministers to teach them “fables.” This is surely one of the many “broad way” messages of today!

Oh, but remember that the Lord first cautioned about the “broad way”…then He warned about “wolves”…and THEN He then explained woefully, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven.” So who are those who follow that “broad way” and discover to their horror that they will NOT enter into heaven when after die?

BOTH the wolves AND those who embrace their doctrine.

But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.

(1 Timothy 6:9, NKJV)

For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

(2 Peter 2:18-19, NKJV)

And He spoke a parable to them: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch? A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.

(Luke 6:39-40, NKJV, emphasis mine)

So unsaved “wolves” prowl around camouflaged as “sheep.” Their are motivated by pure greed, and thus, their rapacious disposition drives them to “plunder” anyone they can deceive. They are “robbers, extortioners” by their very nature, and by religious means they “make merchandise” of others by appealing to the lusts of those they seek to prey upon.

And these ungodly “creatures” can be either false brethren which were NEVER born again…or they can be ones who are “twice dead” and have fallen into apostasy, and thus, have lost their salvation in Christ:

Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit…they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

(Jude excerpt, NKJV)



Within the Bible there is a doctrine found that is often MISLEADINGLY called “once saved always saved,” but is more properly called the “Doctrine of Eternal Security.” That teaching is biblical—BUT NOT as it is often taught today.

This important doctrine of Scripture simply asserts that if you are truly a born again believer in Christ, then you cannot “accidentally” lose your salvation, e.g. by a single act of sin. It is intended to provide comfort to those who sincerely love Christ and have faith in Him, but who are also (understandably) VERY aware of their own shortcomings and limitations.

As we “practice righteousness” we are going to make mistakes, just as one “practicing” an instrument (particularly a novice) will sometimes hit a wrong note. Such an incident—most especially for immature believers—will not “damn” a person, for these are typically minor mistakes. (However, serious and/or habitual sin indicates that they were likely never born again in the first place, as Titus 2:11-14 reveals, and as 1 John, chapter three, further explains quite clearly). Thus, the Lord comforts believers within the New Testament that they have “eternal security” in Him, and that even the devil himself is unable to “snatch” them out of His hand (e.g. John 10:28-29)—so long as they “remain in Him” willfully.

Note for example:

And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

(Colossians 1:21-23, NKJV, emphasis mine)

And now, little children, abide (live, remain permanently) in Him, so that when He is made visible, we may have and enjoy perfect confidence (boldness, assurance) and not be ashamed and shrink from Him at His coming….

No one who abides in Him [who lives and remains in communion with and in obedience to Him–deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] commits (practices) sin. No one who [habitually] sins has either seen or known Him [recognized, perceived, or understood Him, or has had an experiential acquaintance with Him].

(1 John 2:28 and 3:6, Amplified Bible)

Consequently, the biblical form of the “Doctrine of Eternal Security” was NEVER intended by God to imply that one could not walk away from Christ through apostasy, and thus, abandon His salvation. Such an idea was certainly NOT the doctrine of the apostles, as I have revealed already in the passages I quoted above. However, to ensure that no question is left in the minds of any, consider this passage too:

For I fear lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I wish, and that I shall be found by you such as you do not wish…lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced….Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

(Excerpt from 2 Corinthians 12:19-13:5, NKJV)

Paul obviously knew that men and women could walk away from Christ. Thus, in Hebrews is says quite frankly:

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”

(Hebrews 10:26-20, NKJV)

Is all hope lost regarding those who have sinned and walked away from Christ? Yes, in some cases; but thankfully, NO in others:

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame….

But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner.

(Hebrews 6:4-12 excerpt, NKJV)

Obviously, we are hopeful that—at least with some members of the Copeland family and KCM/EMIC leadership, as well as among their followers—there is still hope that they may YET be saved. In fact, that is the PURPOSE of this website, i.e. to seek and save those we believe to be presently lost.

Nevertheless, this important theological discussion would require too much space to elaborate upon more than I have already. Since we need to move on with the subject at hand, let’s now look briefly at how to “spot” the wolves and unsaved people in the midst of the church, and then turn to consider if the Copeland family is truly saved or not, thereafter…


Biblical Tests of Faith

The question of how to “test” ourselves and others in regards to the genuineness of their faith in Christ, and true motives, is also found in the “wolf” analogy when Jesus stated, “You will know them by their fruits.” Or has John the apostle explained it quite clearly:

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

(1 John 3:4-10, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Notice that in discussing those who are SHOCKED to discover that they were never saved that Jesus said, “Depart from me you who practice lawlessness.” Here, John says that “sin is lawlessness” and that those who PRACTICE sin habitually are those who have never been born again. Logically, we can extend this description to those who are “twice dead” as well, as such people ONCE AGAIN take on the character of those who have never been born again in the first place (see 2 Peter 2:20-22).

Let me note here again that what the Bible is describing within the passage above the DIFFERENCE between habitually “practicing” sin or righteousness. Any genuine Christian can “fall” into sin, but according to the Scripture they will get back up (through repentance) and begin “practicing” righteousness once again. On the other hand, any sinner can commit a “good deed” and even act religious (do you remember those who will be frantically trying to convince the Lord Jesus that they are saved from the Matthew seven passage?). The Scriptures are not talking about isolated “acts” of good or bad here, but HABITUAL behavior (especially when others are not looking).

What one does habitually reveals their true nature: Those who “practice sin are of the devil.” On the other hand, those who are habitually “practicing righteousness” are “born of God” and are currently still living for Him. Or as Jesus stated it quite simply:

You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

(Matthew 7:16-20, NKJV)

So what can we learn about the Copeland family in regards to their “deeds” or “fruit”? Can we determine whether they are “practicing righteousness” or if they have been “practicing sin” instead? After a brief introduction to that topic, that is exactly where we will now turn our attention…


Covetous Idolatry

As the above discourse has revealed already, “wolves in sheep’s clothing” are covetous (greedy) people who prey upon others for their own selfish gain. From this fact, however, comes the very point of the concern that we—along with many of our advocates—have in regard to the Copeland family. Please note the following passages:

But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

(Ephesians 5:3-7, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10, NKJV, emphasis mine)

According to the BIBLE: Those who are covetous (i.e. greedy, materialistic, rapacious, avaricious, etc.) are actually “idolaters.” In other words…they might SAY that they worship the God of the Bible, but they really worship “Mammon,” the Babylonian idol “god” of material wealth:

No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Mammon.

(Matthew 6:24, NKJV, emphasis added)

He also said to His disciples…”No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Mammon.”

Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him. And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

(An excerpt from Luke 16:1-15, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Oh, look at what the Lord Jesus has said! In both the Matthew and Luke accounts, He is recorded teaching the very same principle. The KJV translation uses “covetous” instead of “lovers of money” for the Luke passage above, so Jesus is clearly talking about the SAME “greed equals idolatry” point that the Ephesians and 1 Corinthians passages were also discussing above!

However in these passages, Jesus has revealed that even the MOST OUTWARDLY religious people of that day were in fact INWARDLY “ravenous wolves” in their hearts! The eyes of God certainly see the genuine condition of the heart—and people are often quick to say “only God know a person’s heart.” However, that is NOT a biblical statement! The Bible teaches that the the condition of the heart is also often MANIFEST through a person’s behavior. By their manifest “deeds” we can “judge the tree by its fruit” and know what kind of person we are really dealing with:

He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him “unclean.” For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

(Mark 7:20-22, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

(Matthew 7:15-20, NKJV, emphasis mine)

So can we identify ANY evidence or “fruit” that the Copeland family are actually habitually practicing covetousness (greed) in their lives?

If we can identify such bad “fruit,” then (in the light of the points which we have already examined from the Scriptures above) we know biblically that the following two things MUST also be true about them:

  1. That they are NOT going to “inherit the kingdom of God,” and thus, they are not presently saved.
  2. That they are actually “wolves in sheep’s clothing,” and thus, they are not presently saved.

Thus, if we can determine that the Copeland family have a “lifestyle” of covetous practices, then we can easily “know them by their fruits,” and identify whether they are truly our siblings in Christ…or false ministers, leading others astray for their own self-serving purposes.


Grassley’s Findings

Within our article, Kenneth Copeland “Ministries” Lies Again! (click here to view in another window), we explained that the ONGOING Senate Finance Committee’s probe of the televangelists (which includes KCM) found some VERY disturbing behavior patterns among these alleged “ministries.” In the case of the Copelands, here are only a few that were discovered:

In its response to the Committee, the Church acknowledged that it provides a parsonage to Kenneth and Gloria and a housing allowance to John but did not provide any further detail. However, insiders and the Trinity Foundation state that Kenneth and Gloria reside in a house in Tarrant County, Texas.

A review of the Tarrant County Appraisal District records indicates the following. An 18,280 square foot residence [which actually has a total of 25,000 sq. ft. under roof, according to my ministry sources] owned by EMIC was built in 1999. The house is situated on a lake on approximately 25 acres and receives tax-exempt status. As of tax year 2008, the property was valued at $6,249,000.

(Page 9, bracketed notes mine)

A draft letter dated in 2004 from to Kenneth and Gloria Copeland from their former attorney Dennis Brewer was included in the Trinity Foundation Religious Conversion report that was provided to the Committee. In the letter, Brewer expresses concern that KCM‟s compensation committee is made up of Board Members who make recommendations to themselves. He acknowledges that there is a “loophole” in the law that permits it but if “an IRS agent was doing an examination it would raise a large severe red flag.” The letter goes on to state that “KCM has taken great precautions to not have the necessity to file 990s and to keep compensation issues confidential so why take an unnecessary chance?” The inference can be made that the Church, at least prior to 2004, did not have a truly independent compensation committee independent of Kenneth Copeland‟s influence, his family and close friends.

(Page 11)

A former ministry employee stated Gloria Copeland used a jet to fly to Naples, Florida, to go shopping. She would purchase clothing, sculptures and home furnishings. John Copeland and ministry employees, Craig Atnip, Steve Poteet and some others used a jet to take hunting trips. Kenneth Copeland used to travel back and forth to Arkansas to see a chiropractor and to visit his cabin there. The Copeland family also flew to Colorado to their home in Steamboat Springs from time to time.

(Page 19)

And under “Possible Conversion of Other Assets”:

On the August 4, 2006, broadcast of Copeland‟s Believer‟s Voice of Victory, Copeland acknowledges that he has no utility bills and that he has his own electrical power plant that runs on the gas that comes from his own ground and that he owns water wells, a purification plant, and a sewage plant, all located on his [i.e. not the church’s] property. Copeland goes on to say that if no money came into the ministry, he would not be in need because he has no debt. Since Copeland resides on land that belongs to EMIC/KCM, it is difficult to understand his claim that all of these debt-free assets belong to him and not the Church.

(pages 20-21, emphasis and notes in brackets mine)


Gloria’s Contract

A citation from the Senate committee’s investigation which I did not previously include within the article above, is in regard to Gloria Copeland’s opulent employment contract. Can we see any evidence of “greed” (covetousness) within these details? Notice:

The Church did not provide the Committee with a copy of the employment agreements between the Copelands and EMIC. However, an employment agreement prepared for Gloria Copeland and EMIC was included in the Religious Conversion report provided to the Committee by Trinity Foundation. Under this agreement, “Eagle Mountain International Church, Inc., a Texas corporation doing business as Kenneth Copeland Ministries” would:

  • Employ Gloria Copeland for a period of twenty years beginning January 1, 2002 to December 31, 2021.
  • Give Gloria an option to extend the contract for an additional 10 years following the initial 20 years.
  • Permit Gloria to be a paid consultant once she retired.
  • Permit Gloria to retain the title and duties of Executive Vice President as long as she desires.
  • Permit Gloria to secure any personnel needed to fulfill her responsibilities at the expense of EMIC
  • Agree that Gloria‟s “works of authorship” such as sermons, books, pamphlets, lectures, articles and speeches created prior to and during the term of the employment agreement belong to Gloria.
  • Require EMIC to pay Gloria an annual salary that is comparable to the compensation of other ministers, secular executives, performers and personalities whose ministries and/or businesses and/or professional activities and production are of similar scope. The amount of the salary shall be determined annually by the Independent Compensation subcommittee of the Board of EMIC.

Did you catch that? Gloria’s contract requires the “church” of EMIC (aka, Eagle Mountain International “Church”) to pay her a salary COMPARABLE to “secular executives, performers, and personalities” who are of a “similar scope.” In other words—big money. For what? Being a preacher? Where is THAT in the New Testament? (And I have been told by more than one of our “whistle blowers” that both Gloria and Kenneth are paid via comfortable seven-figure compensation packages—or, rather, they were…at least until Kenneth Copeland’s financial “Titanic” began to sink faster.)

  • Permit Gloria to, at her sole discretion, to defer or otherwise direct all or any part of her compensation to take advantage of any tax benefits.
  • Entitle Gloria to eight weeks of paid vacation, which can be accrued and added to in subsequent years. Gloria can also receive cash payment in an amount equal to the amount of her annual salary attributable to that time.
  • Require EMIC to honor any reasonable sabbatical request made by Gloria.
  • Require EMIC provide to Copeland with the use of an automobile of Gloria‟s selection including make, model and options and be responsible for all operating expenses including fuel.
  • Require EMIC to procure and maintain an automobile insurance policy including full coverage, with coverage including Gloria, with policy limits in the amount of at least one million dollars for bodily injury or death to any person and any one accident.

Now we learn that Gloria’s contract requires the “church” of EMIC to not only buy her the car “of her choice,” but ALSO to pay for ALL maintenance, for some VERY expensive high-liability insurance—and even ALL FUEL that she burns in it!

Now back when we were still allowed to “hang out” with Kenneth, he drove up one day in Gloria’s car “of choice.” It was a very large pearl-white Cadillac (I do not know which model, because I do not pay attention to such things…but you cannot miss the big Cadillac symbol on the front of the car!). So in case you were wondering, it would seem that “Hyundai” and “Chevy” manufacture types of cars are not typically found on the list of “her choice.”

  • Require EMIC to pay Gloria an annual ministerial housing allowance to be determined by the Independent Compensation Committee or provide Gloria with a parsonage.
  • Require EMIC to pay business expenses “reasonably incurred” by Gloria in promoting the business of EMIC, including expenditures for entertainment, gifts, and travel. EMIC is to provide Gloria with a credit card for these expenditures.
  • Require EMIC to continue to pay Gloria under the terms of the agreement unless she is unable to perform 51% of her duties for 12 consecutive months. If this happens EMIC, if it elects, may reduce her salary in an amount not more than 49% of the salary in effect.

(Pages 21-22, emphasis mine)

That last one is a “kicker,” is it not? Gloria’s contract requires EMIC “church” to pay her all these things and provide all these compensation benefits, EVEN if she is NOT doing anything up to 50% of the time! If she is not doing at least something for at least 50% of the year, then “if it elects,” EMIC “may reduce her salary by an amount not more than 49% of the salary in effect.” However, we learned further above that the church is run by the family members and that there is NO truly independent board making those decisions!

So what are the chances that she would take a pay cut even if she took the whole year off and did nothing at all?

Again, there is a LOT more details listed in Kenneth Copeland “Ministries” Lies Again!, and you can download the ACTUAL Senate documents to read for yourself from links on that page. While you are there, and as you ponder what is already included above, please ask yourself if these behaviors are the conduct of one who follows the biblical pattern for ministry:

If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

(1 Timothy 6:3-7, NKJV, emphasis mine)


The “Inside Edition”

Oh, but it is one thing to read about the opulence that Kenneth and Gloria have surrounded themselves with—paid for by “the ministry” through the donations of gullible people (like we used to be)— and another thing entirely to see it for yourself! So the following Inside Edition investigative report will give you a look into the lavish lifestyles of the Copelands, AND will provide you a glimpse into how Copeland tries to “defend” these things in the face of a very direct question asked by the reporter. Just click on the picture to begin the video:

Kenneth Copeland, investigated on CBS's Inside Edition (click this image in order to play the video)

Kenneth Copeland, investigated on Inside Edition (please click on the above image in order to play the video)

One of the most interesting things Copeland did within the above video was get caught lying to the reporter toward the end of the news report. The video shows Kenneth declaring to her that, “we are open…” (i.e. transparent, honest, have nothing to hide, etc.). But when the reporter asks two legitimate and sincere questions, “Why do you need a fleet of jets [when] you are a minister?” and “How many jets do you have?” Kenneth demonstrates how “open” he really is by barking back, “That is NONE of your business!” and then stormed off in a rage.

In the face of such behavior, please not what Jesus said:

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

(John 3:19-21, NKJV, emphasis mine)

To which we must add the words of Paul by the Spirit when he wrote, “Provide things honest in the sight of all men” (Romans 12:17). So if Kenneth Copeland is truly “open” and not hiding anything, then why did he storm off without answering her questions? Moreover, why did he lie to her and tell her that they are “open” when the evidence clearly indicates otherwise?


Jetting Around on Donor Dimes

As intriguing as the Inside Edition investigative report above may be, it is not the first such report done on the Copelands. The following local report from Dallas Texas’ “News 8” investigative reporter, Brett Shipp, was the VERY one that resulted in the Copelands being included within the Senate Finance Committee’s ongoing investigation:

WFAA News 8 Investigates Kenneth Copeland's Jet

WFAA News 8’s first report on the Copelands’ lavish lifestyles (ostensibly, at donor’s expense). Please click the image above to begin playing the video.

Did you note that when Kenneth Copeland “Ministries” was asked simply to provide some basic documentation to demonstrate their financial integrity, they “declined” to provide such data? Again, does that seem to be compatible with Paul’s exhortation by the Spirit, “Provide things honest in the sight of all men”?

Even when the Senate Finance Committee began to ask questions, the behavior from the Copelands was similarly uncooperative. As was noted by Deborah Norville within the Inside Edition report further above, Copeland claims to have “cooperated” with that investigation, but the SFC investigators said that was UNTRUE (i.e. a lie). This is itself a VERY troubling thing indeed, because the Bible says THIS about “all liars” and their eternal destiny:

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

(Revelation 21:8, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Regardless of whatever the Copelands are hiding, the fact that they are VERY WILLING to lie about it is itself proof-positive that their hearts are NOT right before God.

Moving on to examine additional evidence about their spiritual condition, however, let us now consider this following video. This is the WFAA report that aired the day that the SFC publicly announced their still-ongoing investigation:

WFAA News 8 Reports on the Sentate Finance Committee's Investigation of Televangelists

WFAA News 8’s second report, regarding the SFC investigation announced that very day. Please click on the above image to begin playing the video.

Consider now this third investigative report, which was apparently the first time that a reporter caught Copeland backstage for a surprise interview on-camera. Please note how Copeland began “all smiles,” but soon became quite uncooperative when legitimate questions were asked of him—just like he did in the Inside Edition report further above. This investigative report also includes other “whistle blowers”—former employees who explain how shockingly different the REAL Copelands are behind the scenes, in contrast with the “public” image that they portray to the TV audience:

WFAA News 8 Investigates the REAL Copelands and Interviews Former Employees

WFAA News 8’s third report the following day, with former employees revealing what really goes on at KCM. Please click on the above image to begin playing the video

It is also very interesting to note the voice of the announcer at the start of the third WFAA video above. Those of us who watched the BVOV television show back during the 1990s will quickly recognize that it as the same person who USED to donate FREE voice-over services to KCM back then. So why did he stop donating those services? And why is he now assisting in a news report investigation ABOUT the Copelands?


Lacking Biblical Accountability

One of the things that stands out the most from the above news reports and the Copelands’ complete REFUSAL to cooperate with the Senate Finance Committee’s investigation (to include their lie to Inside Edition that they had cooperated) is how the Copelands go to great lengths to hide their accounting books and documentation. In the light of the Scriptures we have cited above (and many more that could be cited), this ultra-secrecy is certainly unbiblical. It is also VERY troubling, because Jesus said quite clearly in the John chapter three quote above that those who refuse to come to the light, do so because they are hiding “evil” out of concern that “their deeds will be exposed.”

Of course, in the light of this fact, several additional points should be made along these same lines:

In contrast, however, Joyce Meyer did seek and obtain such ECFA accreditation after reports of her previous financial improprieties began to be reported in the media. (Also click here to see the actual ECFA report for JMM.) She and her husband, Dave, have also made an effort to obtain at least a moderate “financial transparency grade” of “C” with If Dave and Joyce Meyer had the simple decency to get their financial affairs—and reporting!—cleaned up, why does Copeland NOT think that is a good idea too?

(Note: Please do not consider the above comments about Dave and Joyce Meyer to be any kind of endorsement of their “ministry” by either Donna or me, or our many advocates. Rather, let me here express our concerns about her “all seeing eye” teaching—which is actually Masonic doctrine. In the light of Scripture, Freemasonry is NOT compatible with biblical Christianity at all—DESPITE their claims otherwise. Thus, the fact that Joyce has included such blasphemous doctrine within her public “ministry” has both Donna and me VERY concerned about Dave’s and Joyce’s spiritual lives too. In short, this one fact alone gives us plenty of biblical reason to also doubt the current state of their salvation.)

Again, according to Jesus within the Gospel of John passage quoted further above, these apparent efforts made by the Copelands to HIDE the financial practices of KCM would seem to indicate VERY clearly that “they hate the light” because they are actually “practicing evil” and do not want “their deeds exposed.”


Some Objections Addressed

Having formerly been “partners” with KCM for about seventeen years, Donna and I know the mentality that is so pervasive within those circles. Those who may have watched the above videos, and read the above report findings from the SFC investigation, may have some automatic “objections” pop into their minds due to the subtle programming that takes place via KCM/EMIC indoctrination.

Once a person comes out from under that witchcraft-like “spell,” of course, they quickly begin to wake up to the realities of the facts in the light of Scripture (and even just good common sense). However, for the benefit of those still “drinking” the Copelands’ poisonous false doctrine, I will quickly address a few of the common objections that are likely to arise:

  • Objection First: “Yes, the Copelands are wealthy, but that is because they are ‘givers’ and God has blessed them with ‘harvests’ on their giving!” Response: Actually, there is absolutely no evidence of any such thing, beyond the claims of the Copeland family themselves, and their followers. The bulk of the evidence CLEARLY reveals that the Copelands’ wealth has come primarily via donations to KCM and product sales (which products also typically TEACH people to donate money), which then fuel their exorbitant salaries and many tax-free “perks” and benefits.
  • Objection Second: “Oh, but the Copeland family is of the highest integrity! Their ‘word’ is good, and they can be trusted that what they say is true.” Response: We used to believe that lie too. But as the numerous well-documented posts within the section on the Table of Contents page of this website entitled “The Mysterious Disappearance of Angel Flight 44” reveal, we found out the “hard way” that this was simply untrue. In our experience, they not only LIED repeatedly about several things, but also perpetuated what we believe to be a $2-4 million fraud using our book “Angel Flight 44” and our good names. Within this article you are now reading, in fact, we have already cited several instances of the Copelands lying about their “openness” and other things. Then there are the two posts Kenneth Copeland’s “Bad Confession” and Kenneth Copeland “Ministries” Lies Again, which each reveal several other documentable lies told by this family and KCM executives. So this common objection is pure nonsense, because there is overwhelming evidence that suggests that the Copeland family lies habituallyespecially when they think it will give them some advantage.
  • Objection Third: “Oh, but people who work for the Copelands say that they are honest, and even other ministers do too!” Response: People who work for the Copelands have a VERY vested interest to keep their employer happy (and ex-employees commonly have a different story to tell anyway). Further, “birds of a feather flock together” as the old English proverb says. Thus, the “other ministers” that claim integrity for the Copelands are merely other “wolves in sheep’s clothing” typically (or other people who have believed the lie that was told them, like we once did). They ALSO have a vested interest in keeping the Copelands happy and to cover their “wolf tracks,” for the Copelands do the same for them in return. This is simply a case of “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” in most instances. The fact that many of these “other ministers” have been exposed as frauds themselves, and/or are being investigated for improprieties, is further evidence that THEIR “integrity” in claiming “integrity” for the Copelands cannot be trusted.

There are other “objections” too, of course, but the three addressed above should prove sufficient to make the point that one should look at the EVIDENCE in the light of SCRIPTURE, and not merely “swallow” the propaganda that is fed to them by the Copelands, et al. Since Jesus said that “wolves” like to wear “sheep’s clothing,” it should be no surprise that they use such untrue rhetoric to hide their actual nature, and to “front” the mere appearance that they are a genuine “ministry.”


Of Our Findings

At this point, it is important to summarize what we have found to be FACTUAL to date in regard to the Copeland family and their alleged “ministry” known as KCM:

  1. That they live very lavishly, with opulent lifestyles that are funded NOT by legitimate business ventures and/or investments (which would be both biblical AND openly explainable), but rather by donations—and product sales of materials that often encourage donations. These funding sources then work together to fuel exorbitant salaries and other forms of “compensation.”
  2. That the Copelands go to great lengths to HIDE their financial records from ANY legitimate scrutiny, and thus, endeavor to maintain a very obvious level of SECRECY surrounding their actual activities.
  3. That the Copelands have a documentable history of probable fraud and deceit.

In contrast with the above, we found within the Scriptures these eternal truths that shed much light on the above facts:

  • That “wolves in sheep’s clothing” are “inwardly” frauds and thieves, and will “plunder” others in order to satisfy their instinctive cravings for self-gratification—and thus, are NOT saved.
  • That such covetous people are idolaters—and will NOT inherit salvation.
  • That “false brethren” and “false teachers” work in secrecy, as do all those who “practice evil”; and thus, that such people were either never born again in the first place, or are “twice dead” apostates who have walked away from the genuine faith in Christ to pursue their own lusts and greed.
  • That “all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


Regarding Our Conclusions

In the face of the data that I have provided above…could it be that we can reasonably conclude that the Copeland family is at least covetous? And if we can, then what does that indicate?

We have found out from the Bible already that two things MUST be true, according to God’s Word, if the Copelands are at least covetous:

  1. That they are NOT going to “inherit the kingdom of God,” and thus, they are not presently saved (see Ephesians 5:5 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and the many other Scriptures provided above within this article).
  2. That they are actually “wolves in sheep’s clothing,” and thus, they are not presently saved (see Matthew 7:13-23; 2 Peter chapters 2-3; the entire epistle of Jude; plus the many other Scriptures provided above within this article).

If merely being COVETOUS is enough to damn them for all of eternity, then what can we say about all the evidence that suggests strongly that they are habitual liars and probable frauds?

So let me be clear what Donna and I, and many of our advocates, have concluded in the light of Scripture and the abundant evidence: It is our our informed conclusion that Kenneth and Gloria Copeland (and much of their family) are NOT saved! It is our sincere theological opinion that if they were to die right now, they would miss Heaven and spend their time in Hell (Hades) awaiting the terrifying final judgment found in Revelation chapter twenty:

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

(Revelation 20:11-15, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Please note: THIS IS NO SMALL MATTER! These are SERIOUS issues that ANY genuine Christian SHOULD be concerned about!

It should now be VERY clear why we here at are NOT going to quit our efforts to call on Kenneth Copeland, his family, all the people at his alleged “ministry”…plus his “wolfish” buddies…to repent and get saved.


Irrefutable Logic

The biblical exegesis above is sound, and the facts regarding the Copelands are clear. So we can summarize all of the above with a very simple syllogism, which summarizes this entire article nicely:

Major Premise: The Bible says that all habitually covetous people are unsaved idolaters, who will NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Minor Premise: The overwhelming evidence indicates that the Copelands have practiced covetous for many years.

Conclusion: Therefore, the Copelands are unsaved idolaters, who will NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

This chain of biblical reasoning is irrefutable. This word “irrefutable” is derived from the Latin term, “irrefutabilis,” which is itself formed from two Latin root words: The Latin prefix “in,” which means “without,” and “refutare” which means “to suppress or conquer,” and from which we get the English word “refute.” This is itself derived from the Latin prefix “re” (i.e. to “do again”) and “futare,” which means simply “to defeat.” So in essence, when “refuting” an argument, one is “defeating it again and again” at its points of weakness (e.g. factual shortcomings, logical fallacies, etc.). Thereby, the person “suppresses” or “conquers” that faulty argument through the logical application of both reason and facts (which includes in our case, correct biblical exegesis). Thus, an “irrefutable” argument is one that cannot be suppressed, conquered or repeatedly defeated at various points, because it is a solid argument without significant flaws.

(For a related note: Minor flaws within a well-argued complex treatise, such as I have presented here, cannot be the basis for a refutation, because such minor points are unable to form the basis for a “repeated defeat” that would suppress the overall point being made. Small valid points of disagreement merely demonstrate that fine tuning within the original polysyllogism is necessary. Invalid points offered in rebuttal, however, actually reinforce the original point being made.)

There is no rational biblical exegesis that can honestly conclude any premise other than the “major premise” given above. (Heresies and logical fallacies? Yes. Rational biblical exegesis? No.) There is also no rational examination of the facts surrounding the Copelands that can conclude anything other than they are very covetous people. These people (and many of their followers) think CONSTANTLY of earthly things—and they even talk about them insistently, to include their constant referrals to the alleged “blessing” that they believe will bring them even more earthly treasure.

Consequently, it is very clear that the Copelands (and their followers) have been habitually living without due regard for what the eternal consequences might be for their earthly cravings; and the Bible’s promises are NOT favorable toward such idolatrous people:

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience

(Colossians 3:1-6, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Again, there is absolutely no rational argument that can undermine the above syllogism. It is irrefutable logic, based upon God’s irrefutable and eternal Word.

Now, please notice that I did NOT say that the above argument is “indisputable” or “undeniable.” The reason for this is that I have long discovered through God’s Word and confirmatory experience, that there are “fools” who will dispute anything, and thus, there is really no such thing as an “indisputable” argument (e.g. see Proverbs 18:2). I have also learned that there is really no such thing as an “undeniable” argument, because anyone with an ulterior motive will deny any argument that conflicts with their chosen self-serving agenda:

Now go, write it before them on a tablet, and note it on a scroll, that it may be for time to come, forever and ever:

That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children who will not hear the law of the Lord; Who say to the seers, “Do not see,” and to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things; speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits. Get out of the way, turn aside from the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.”

Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel:

“Because you despise this word, and trust in oppression and perversity, and rely on them, therefore this iniquity shall be to you like a breach ready to fall, a bulge in a high wall, whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant. And He shall break it like the breaking of the potter’s vessel, which is broken in pieces; He shall not spare. So there shall not be found among its fragments a shard to take fire from the hearth, or to take water from the cistern.”

For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel:

“In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.” But you would not.

(Isaiah 30:8-15, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Although their sinful folly is certainly to their hurt and disadvantage, and although through repentance they can be saved and find quiet “rest” and blessing…they “would not.” They refused God’s written Word as well as the spoken word given by righteous men and women of God, who endeavored to warn them to turn away from their self-destructive and damnable behavior.

So again: This article as a whole, summarized within the above logic syllogism, is NOT indisputable or undeniable, for surely there are fools with debased agendas who will both dispute and deny every point contained herein. However, this article’s biblical exegesis and examination of the facts related to the Copelands, form an irrefutable argument (i.e. one that is unable to be defeated by reason or facts), whereby our concern regarding the eternal welfare of the souls of both the Copelands and their followers is PROVEN to be very justified by both facts and Scripture.

In short, the evidence is overwhelming that the Copelands (and their followers) need to simply repent. The Scriptures are clear regarding such matters. For example, consider these statements regarding the ministry of Paul:

To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

(Titus 1:15-16, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

(Acts 26:19-20, NKJV, emphasis mine)

…I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house, testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

(Acts 20:20-21, NKJV, emphasis mine)

To the Copelands and their followers: As the Lord said within the Isaiah passage above, “In returning and rest you shall be saved.” Do not “deny,” “dispute,” or delay!!! Simply repent NOW of your covetous idolatry and many OTHER sins (lying, heresy, Masonic oaths, etc.), and put your faith in the Jesus of the Bible today as the sole source of your salvation and righteousness. Neither “lamb skin aprons” nor “self-righteous justification” will do you ANY good on the Day of Judgment. Please repent NOW.


Probable “Rebuttal” Fallacies

We have been doing this BIBLICAL public rebuke project since 2008, and consequently, have become quite familiar with the tactics of wolves trying to keep the attention OFF of them. So I thought it would be good to quickly refute (defeat) a few of their alleged “rebuttals” here before the “Copelandites” (that is, the most hard-core followers of Kenneth Copeland) bother wasting their time trying to contact us:

Begging the Question:

The first and most common “rebuttal” used by the Copelands regarding their detractors is that they are simply “jealous of their blessing.” The ASSUME that the reason why people comment so much on their wealth is because those people are just as covetous as THEY are, and therefore, that they are “jealous.” However, most people actually focus on that aspect because it is the clearest evidence of the Copelands’ GREED. The people of whom I am aware are not “desiring” what the Copelands have, but rather are DISGUSTED that they have obtained such things by exploiting people through false religion. They are outraged that the Copelands have caused blasphemy to the “Way of Truth” because of their behavior:

And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

(2 Peter 2:2-3, NKJV, emphasis mine)

This type of erroneous reading exhibited by the Copelands (and their followers) is called the fallacy of “Begging the Question.” Therein, they first ASSUME something as factual without sufficient grounds (evidence) to do so, and then use that as the foundation upon which they then argue the very same point that they have just asserted. This is why this fallacy is also called “Circular Reasoning,” because their “proof” is actually the very assumption that has YET to be proven!

So let us now examine this question which is so often “begged” by the Copelands and their followers: Are Donna and I calling them to repentance merely because we are “jealous” of their material opulence, which they seemed to have acquired through fraud and deceit? We can answer that question by first looking at where the Bible says such people as the Copelands will spend eternity, if they fail to repent beforehand:

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

(Revelation 21:8, NKJV, emphasis mine)

For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

(Ephesians 5:5, NKJV, emphasis mine)

So according to the Scriptures, such lying and idolatrous people are damning themselves through their greed, as they “covet” money and the things that it can buy. The Copelands’ earthly state may seem “comfortable” now, but their eternal state will be terrifying and horrific! So are either Donna or I “jealous” of them? Nope. Note one bit. We PITY them instead, which is OBVIOUSLY why we are calling on them to repent…before they end up paying for all eternity for a brief lifetime of greed.

Ad Hominem:

This term has a fancy Latin name which means simply “at the man.” It refers to ANY instance in which an argument is directed at the PERSON instead of simply in rebuttal to their own points. This is often a VERY justifiable thing to do, however, and does not necessarily constitute a fallacy when the following two conditions are met:

  1. The “ad hominem” is factually true, or reasonably believed to be true because of sufficient evidence at hand.
  2. The “ad hominem” is relevant to the discussion, and thus, DOES serve to refute the opponent’s argument to some degree.

An example of a warranted ad hominem might be when a person is pointing out that they do not believe the argument of the other party because they have a history of LYING to people (perhaps even to them). Obviously, that would be warranted by both the historical facts, as well as its relevant bearing upon that person’s ability to accept the points being made by the other party.

(Note: Generally, even the use of warranted ad hominem is not sufficient to refute an argument by itself. Using our previous example again, even a liar can tell the truth once in a while, and thus, this warranted ad hominem serves merely as one point of rational argumentation, but not as a full refutation of the other party’s stated position. So additional reasoning is necessary in order to show that the other party’s stated position is either factually untrue or logically flawed, in order to fully refute it.)

Likewise, this particular article (and this website in general) contains WARRANTED ad hominem content (i.e. points that are “at the man,” or refer to the Copelands personally). We are simply presenting evidence here on that demonstrates that the Copelands have sinned in various ways (e.g. lying, heresy, probable fraud, covetousness, etc.). This evidence is, of course, extremely relevant to our stated objective, as we call on them to repent and get saved. So while the fact that we use warranted ad hominem when we call them “wolves in sheep’s clothing” may seem offensive (especially to them and their followers), it is NOT fallacious to do so, because we have ample biblical and factual reasons why we apply that label to them. Since Jesus gave us that phrase, it is also quite biblical and proper to apply it when it is warranted, and thus, we do.

On the other hand, the Copelands’ use of terms like “jealous” and “heretic hunters” and other such terms, is clearly fallacious. They use such “ad hominem attacks” merely to get the “spotlight” off of themselves, and to attempt to discredit those people who simply want them to cease their sin and to turn towards righteousness. This is because their use of ad hominem is without factual substantiation to support their accusations, and in many instances the accusations also lack relevance to the points being made.

Thus, we are not moved by such false rhetoric whenever it is aimed at us. In fact, sometimes we are quite amused by it! Whenever people resort to fallacious ad hominem, it is equivalent to a little kid taunting another with abusive names at the playground. People resort to such childish tactics because they simply CANNOT form a rational rebuttal! So whenever one does display such desperate immaturity, we know instantly that we have won the entire debate because all they have left to “throw at us” are mere insults. 😉

The Genetic Fallacy:

This third fallacy is an interesting form of irrational thinking, wherein a person simply rejects an argument made by another ONLY because of its source (hence, the word “genetic” which is derived from the word “Genesis” which means simply, “beginning,” i.e. “source”).

In other words, if a person says, “That can’t be true because a woman said it,” then they have just demonstrated the “genetic fallacy” by refusing the statement fallaciously because of it source. Obviously, this is an absurd way to think! Would the gender of a person necessarily indicate that their argument is untrue? How ridiculous! Yet, people do that all the time. Bigots refuse the arguments presented by people of another race. Religious people might refuse a given doctrine, simply because it is believed by another group that they are predisposed to oppose. In other words, the MERIT of the argument is not even examined, because it has been rejected outright by the person simply because of who it came from.

This happens all the time with the Copelands and their followers, as well. Simply because a given argument about the sins of the Copelands comes from a “critic” (a term that is often used by them derisively as a fallacious ad hominem also), they too often fail to examine the merits of what is being said. To their own hurt and eventual shame, they reject the truth simply because they don’t like its source. However, given all the well-documented points made herein in regards to both the Bible’s precepts and the factual evidence surrounding the behavior of the Copelands, such irrational rejection of our plea for repentance can ONLY be ignored at their own peril:

Wisdom calls aloud outside; She raises her voice in the open squares. She cries out in the chief concourses, at the openings of the gates in the city she speaks her words:

“How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge. Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you.

“Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, Because you disdained all my counsel, and would have none of my rebuke, I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, When your terror comes like a storm, and your destruction comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you.”

Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me. Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord, they would have none of my counsel and despised my every rebuke.

Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, and be filled to the full with their own fancies. For the turning away of the simple will slay them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them; But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, and will be secure, without fear of evil.”

(Proverbs 1:20-33, NKJV)

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

(verses 32-33 restated from the King James Version, emphasis mine)

As can probably be imagined from this sample list given above, there are also other fallacies common among the “Copelandites” (a term which I coined to refer inclusively to the Copeland family and their most ardent followers…which is a warranted ad hominem, of course). However, these three will suffice for now. We need to draw this article to a close, as I have already stated herein a solid and irrefutable case as to why we call on them all to repent and get saved (whether again or for the first time)—which salvation is proven by living a life that gives evidence that they are ready to meet their Maker on the Day of Judgement.

…I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

(From Acts 26:20, NIV 1984 edition)

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

(Titus 2:11-14, NKJV, emphasis mine)


The Unanswered Question

By the time a person has reached this point within this article, they are likely to be wondering, “Was Kenneth Copeland and his family EVER saved?” That is a very valid question, but one which we will NOT attempt to answer within this particular article.

Our focus herein is simply the FACT that the biblical and factual evidence attests that they are unsaved NOW and need to get right with God. Their history is to us, as this point, irrelevant to this primary redemptive focus. Moreover, to “make a case” one way or the other in regard to that question would necessarily require another article entirely in order to provide enough evidence to substantiate our beliefs in the matter.

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Closing Remarks and Benediction

Donna and I would like to ask our many advocates of this redemptive project to continue to pray for the Copeland family and their followers, because we believe the time is short before an earthly judgment (e.g. Senator Grassley’s probe, or some God-sent disaster or sickness) is brought to bear against them by the Lord:

And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,

“These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass…Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.”

(An excerpt from Revelation 2:18-29, NKJV, emphasis mine)

The Copelands have been playing games with God and His Word for many years, and the patience of the Lord has been astounding in the face of their blasphemy. Furthermore, they were rebuked by many preachers through the years, some of which confrontations came directly to them (and I may document the history of such confrontations in a future article). Yet, they repeatedly failed to repent of their ways.

Rev. Kenneth E. Hagin even attempted to reign them in and to talk some sense to them about their folly. Nevertheless, they only gave his godly counsel “lip service” at the time, and quickly turned back to their “wallowing in the mire” soon after he died in 2003.

But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

(2 Peter 2:22, NKJV)

Then came the still-ongoing Senate Finance Committee investigation, and myriads of investigative news reports (as we have covered above within this very article). This was also from the Lord, we believe, because God has a long history of using even secular groups to bring judgment on people who refuse His repeated rebukes:

And the Lord sent against him raiding bands of Chaldeans, bands of Syrians, bands of Moabites, and bands of the people of Ammon; He sent them against Judah to destroy it, according to the word of the Lord which He had spoken by His servants the prophets. Surely at the commandment of the Lord this came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight…

(2 Kings 24:2-3, NKJV)

So our humble efforts here at have been simply a part of God’s overall longstanding redemptive effort to call these people to account—and to repentance. We are only adding to the accountability that God is placing upon the “heads” of these people, should they fail to take heed and to turn from their wickedness:

And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

(Luke 12:47-48, NKJV, emphasis mine)

Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me: When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

(Ezekiel 3:17-19, NKJV, emphasis mine)

We believe that we have simply obeyed God in doing our small part to warn the Copelands and their followers to turn away from their sin. We have ALSO been very effective here…as the efforts by the Copelands to take this website away from us proves very clearly. But our concern is that time is running out for these people. Their sin has begun to come out into the public view in major proportions, but their ungodly behavior has only become increasingly desperate and absurd as a result. This concerns us TREMENDOUSLY, and thus, precipitated the writing of this very article.

We do NOT want to see judgment come upon ANY of the Copeland family or their followers here in this life—and we certainly do NOT want them to end up spending eternity damned!

The good news is that more and more people are leaving their cult. We hear from some of them, and they all have a similar testimony of “waking up” about the evil nature of the Copelands once they get out from under their influence. This affect upon their perspective is VERY much like a witchcraft “spell” that has been cast upon them to blind their minds. But by simply leaving the cult’s sphere of influence, it begins to quickly wear off. That is great news, indeed.

But we pray—and ask our advocates to pray—that the negative experience that these people endured will NOT be a stumbling-block to them that might hinder their faith in Christ. They need to understand that what evil they witnessed and/or endured, is NOT reflective on the truth doctrine of Christ in the LEAST BIT…but is merely MORE evidence that the Copelands have been unsaved false-ministers, aka, “wolves in sheep’s clothing”:

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

(2 Peter 2:1-3, NKJV)

So please pray for those still under that cult’s witchcraft-like influence, that they may awaken, repent, and leave there—and get saved (either for the first time or as a re-dedication). Please pray also for those who have left (and those who will leave), that they may quickly heal spiritually and emotionally from what they endured—and that they can thereafter grow in Christ and walk humbly with Him.

And now for a biblical benediction, which the Lord will bring upon all those who qualify for this blessing and who will also receive it from Him by faith:

Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

(Ephesians 6:23-24, NKJV)

Thank you for your time in reading this redemptive treatise.

Always in Jesus,

-Rich Vermillion



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Announcing Rich Vermillion’s New MP3 Audio Resource! (It’s FREE!)

The Fundamentals of the REAL Gospel

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Key Articles on

Click here to read When Wolves Remove Their Clothing on

The above article includes insightful information about deprogramming Prosperity-Cult members!

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Judging Prophecy Correctly
This article above explains key tests for differentiating between true and false prophets! (A teaching which certainly also applies toward evaluating Kenneth Copeland's alleged prophecies.)

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About This Blog’s Primary Author:

The responsibilities associated with Rich Vermillion's ministry office actually require him to bring forth this public rebuke of the false prophet, Kenneth Copeland, and his equally fraudulent family. Consequently, we recommend that you learn more about Rich's calling by first reviewing the following video, and then by visiting some of his other websites (which are listed further below):

Rich & Donna’s Other Websites:

Rich has various other online educational resources as well. Please click any of the following links to view his other websites. (Note: Each link will open into its own new window).
(His personal ministry blog)
(The home of Rich's FREE online book, Organic Economics™)
(Economics from a biblical perspective)

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