Creflo Dollar Says: “Shoot Them All Dead”
by Donna Vermillion
with added theological commentary by Rich Vermillion
This is a post like no other that I have ever done before.
There aren’t going to be any jokes cracked. In this post, Rich and I are going to discuss some VERY serious issues regarding Kenneth Copeland’s good friend and protégé, Creflo Dollar of “World Changers.” We are going to talk about what murderous ideas this man has in mind for the “world” if he ever had a chance to “change” it.
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*** TRAGIC UPDATE ***: Sadly, on June 8, 2012, Creflo Dollar was arrested for assaulting his 15-year old daughter in the kitchen of their family home. A link to our article about this terrible situation is provided at the bottom of this page.
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Kenneth Copeland chats with Creflo Dollar on the set of KCM’s BVOV broadcast (click to enlarge)
Unlike other things that I have written on this blog, I am not, for example, going to poke fun at Creflo Dollar and his misuse of donor funds. As you continue reading, you will see that there was a reason why I gave this particular post such a serious title—with an exact quote from Dollar himself. This article involves a very somber and intense matter that should have every Christian concerned.
Recently, a friend of ours informed us of a video that she saw on YouTube, which has the audio of a message Creflo Dollar “preached” at his church concerning how to dispose of non-tithers. When I heard the hateful, murderous words of Dollar on this video, it reminded me so much of the murderous hatred of Adolf Hitler.
Why I Transcribed Creflo’s Words of Hate
The person who made the video added still shots of both Creflo and of various bloody-murder type of photographs for effect. It was wonderfully done, but very graphic. Adults should preview it before allowing any children to watch it. Due to the intense portions of the video, I decided to transcribe Creflo Dollar’s exact, unedited words for the benefit of those who would rather read about it. I also wanted to make sure those who, for some reason, could not view the video would still be able to know what Mr. Dollar spoke out of his own mouth. Nevertheless, I have found that the full impact of his statements is obtained by both reading the transcript and by watching the video (and Rich also added a second link below also, in case the YouTube video does not work for some reason).
The things in brackets are to simply describe Creflo’s tone or the congregation’s reactions to different things he said.
(Note: the same video includes a couple other heretical “teachings” by Creflo Dollar too. But the first part of it is what I am addressing in this particular post, as the creator of the video did a good job pointing out the heresy of the other already.)
I would encourage you to play the video for yourself after reading the text. I believe it is important that you hear Mr. Dollar making these statements with his own voice (the embedded video is further below). But again, it is horrific. When I was transcribing it, I scrolled down so that all I saw on my screen was the play bar. That way, I was able to hear it all without watching the graphic pictures all over again. Sadly, I don’t even think the audio of Creflo speaking is suitable for most children. It will shock you. You just don’t expect a supposed “pastor” to say such things that show an obvious disregard for the lives of people.
Let me also note that some of the pictures that Rich added to this post below are similarly not appropriate for most children to view. So please use caution when children are around while you read this article.
I have said enough here. With the following excerpt from one of his messages at his “World Dome,” I would like to introduce you to Creflo Dollar, the Hell-bound murderer…in his own words (emphasis mine, where added):
Now, you know, we’re under the Blood of Jesus, so we can’t shoot and stone people like we used to. All we have to do is repent and God will forgive us and take us where we need to be. But I can tell you, man, if it wasn’t for the Blood, there’d be a whole lot of us being stoned and being in Hell right now over the tithe. But for [“if not for”?] the Blood of Jesus, we’d be doomed.
I mean, I thought about when we first built “The Dome,” I wanted to put some of those little moving bars and give everybody a little card. They’d stick it in a little computer slot. If they were tithing, beautiful music would go off and, you know, [Creflo sings] “Welcome, welcome, welcome to the World Dome.” [Congregation laughs.]
But…if they were non-tithers, the bar would lock up, the red and blue lights would start going, the siren would go off, and a voice would go out throughout the entire dome, “Crook, crook, crook, crook!” [Congregation laughs.] Security would go and apprehend them, and once we got them all together, we’d line them up in the front and pass out Uzis by the ushers and point our Uzis right at all those non-tithing members ’cause we want God to come to church, and at the count of three “Jesus”-es we’d shoot them all dead. And then we’d take them out the side door there, have a big hole, bury them, and then go ahead and have church and have the anointing. [Mostly silence in the congregation, but one or two still actually laugh.]
Aren’t you glad we’re under the Blood of Jesus? [“Yeah, yeah,” from the congregation.] Because if we were not under the Blood of Jesus, I would certainly try it.
Folks, this is a serious thing.
Oh, yeah! It certainly is a “serious thing!” It is also sad, sick, and satanic. Take special note of what he says at the end: “Folks, this [being a non-tither] is a serious thing.” For some reason, however, his evil heart would be fine about (and would like to take part in) killing innocent people in cold blood if his religion would only allow it.
Creflo Dollar says that he has an idea of what he would like to do with non-tithers…a concept which happens to be remarkably similar to how the Nazis treated Jewish, Polish, and many other types of victims. Note: The backdrop image above is NOT from a movie. Those are ACTUAL Nazi soldiers murdering Polish civilians during WW-II in the same cold-blooded manner in which Creflo said he would like to see done to non-tithers. (click to enlarge)
Rich’s Update (June 15, 2011): After this article posted and began to circulate, we received the following comment by email from a friend who grew up in Europe within that earlier generation:
Hi Rich and Donna
About Tithing Creflo $ style
I could not find in your blog a comment section, so I am sending you my comment by email.
The video about Creflo Dollar in this blog is not new to me, I had seen it months ago and felt so bad after seeing it.
I was born during the ruthless German occupation in Southern France and my parents were witnesses of atrocities committed by the Germans. Later as a kid leaving in Alsace after the war, we had to visit Concentration Camps to make sure “never again”. I have seen the mass graves. I have seen the bullet holes in the wall. I have seen the gas chambers.
Creflo Dollar having such horrific thoughts and describing such scenes in his church is beyond belief. IT IS DESPICABLE and HEINOUS with no respect for life.
I am disgusted, grieved beyond belief and speechless.
[Notes: I omitted the names from this text for their privacy’s sake. The ALL-CAPS emphasis was made by the original author. ]
Please ponder this godly man’s sobering thoughts as you continue reading the rest of this article.
Looking at Creflo Biblically (by Rich Vermillion)
I am concerned that too many people reading the words of Creflo above may miss the full biblical impact of what Kenneth Copeland’s friend, Creflo Dollar, has stated publicly that he wants to do—so I will provide some further explanation. So let me now break this down for you point by point in light of the Scriptures:
Now, you know, we’re under the Blood of Jesus, so we can’t shoot and stone people like we used to. All we have to do is repent and God will forgive us and take us where we need to be. But I can tell you, man, if it wasn’t for the Blood, there’d be a whole lot of us being stoned and being in Hell right now over the tithe.
Bible Truth 1:
The period of time often referred to as being the “Old Testament” (OT) did in fact include capital punishment within the Levitical legal system. Under the Law of Moses (i.e. the Torah) there were various criminal acts that were punishable by death. However, failure to tithe was NOT one of them. God alone had the prerogative to either bless or curse the individual who failed to tithe according to His Law.
In short, there was no penalty given within the Law that could be imposed by others upon a person who failed to pay tithes. That was an issue between them and God. The closest thing that came to an ordinance to be enforced by authorities in such a matter is this precept given for “redeeming” tithes:
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
(Leviticus 27:31, KJV)
The Hebrew word translated as “redeem” above is the term ga’al (גָּאַל, Strong’s #1350) and Gesenius’s Lexicon said it simply means, “to redeem, to buy back, as in a field or farm sold.” In other words, since the Israelites were required to pay tithes of everything in which they “increased”—including farm animals and agricultural products—God included within His holy Law a provision by which they could “buy back” or “redeem” certain items for their own personal use at 20% over the current market price.
However, there was NO provision for the high priest or ANY authority within Israel to “penalize” a person for failing to pay tithes. Thus, there is absolutely NO provision within the Law of Moses to execute a non-tither by capital punishment. This means either that Creflo lied in order to advance his greedy doctrine, or that he is just plain stupid.
Kenneth Copeland points at the possible victims (oops…the “TV viewing audience”) as he discusses “the blessing” with Creflo Dollar. Since Kenneth Copeland claims to love Israel and the Jewish people, why does he still associate with someone like Creflo Dollar…who has Nazi-like ideas? (click to enlarge)
Creflo Dollar explains his concept of “the blessing” to his friend, Kenneth Copeland, on the same BVOV broadcast. However, he manages to leave out the mass murder part of his teaching regarding “tithing.” Consider how close these two have been for so many years as you ponder Creflo’s evil character. (click to enlarge)
Two Peas in a Pod?
My Next point:
But I can tell you, man, if it wasn’t for the Blood, there’d be a whole lot of us being stoned and being in Hell right now over the tithe. But for [“if not for”?] the Blood of Jesus, we’d be doomed.
Creflo’s mentioning of the Blood of Jesus here in regards to saving us from stoning and going to Hell over non-payment of tithes is ludicrous. Since nobody was put to death over failure to pay tithes, his mentioning the “Blood” as a saving grace was rather irrelevant to that topic. Thus, as we shall soon see, Creflo only mentioned such a New Testament (NT) concept of “grace” for mere appearance sake.
I mean, I thought about when we first built “The Dome,” I wanted to put some of those little moving bars and give everybody a little card. They’d stick it in a little computer slot. If they were tithing, beautiful music would go off and, you know, “Welcome, welcome, welcome to the World Dome.”
But…if they were non-tithers, the bar would lock up, the red and blue lights would start going, the siren would go off, and a voice would go out throughout the entire dome, “Crook, crook, crook, crook!”
It is critical to note here that this was something that Creflo actually thought about doing, and which he states he really “wanted” to do. So please hold that thought, while we look at the next quote:
Security would go and apprehend them, and once we got them all together, we’d line them up in the front and pass out Uzis by the ushers and point our Uzis right at all those non-tithing members ’cause we want God to come to church, and at the count of three “Jesus”-es we’d shoot them all dead. And then we’d take them out the side door there, have a big hole, bury them, and then go ahead and have church and have the anointing.
An Uzi Machine Gun (click to enlarge)
A Uzi” is a fully automatic machine gun (see the picture to the right). As you consider the words above, remember that Creflo Dollar is explaining a concept that he has already stated that he has put some thought into doing. He actually wants to use a high-tech computerized tracking system to monitor tithing, and to have his security guards march ALL non-tithers out behind his alleged “church.” Invoking the holy name of Jesus in a blasphemous way, Creflo then said he would like to see them executed in cold blood by machine guns, and buried in a mass grave there on the property.
Images of Nazi executions of six million Jews and six million other “undesirables” (twelve million in total, including Christians who resisted the Third Reich) should come to mind. Creflo dollar has just described a scene that he said he had meditated upon, and which is purely antichrist in its character.
This horrible photograph was proudly named by the Nazis, “The Last Jew in Vinnitsa.” Notice the many other bodies in mass grave, and consider well the meaning of Creflo Dollar’s choice of words. (click to enlarge)
Now note what Creflo Dollar said next:
Aren’t you glad we’re under the Blood of Jesus? Because if we were not under the Blood of Jesus, I would certainly try it.
Again, Creflo Dollar makes a hypocritical reference to the Blood of Jesus Christ for obvious appearance sake in front of the shocked congregation. The real reason that this murder-loving man has not “tried” it is because he knows that he would be arrested and put to death himself under current Georgia state and U.S. legal standards.
However, the fact that he “would certainly try it” if given the chance is proof positive that this hypothetical scene is really a heinous fantasy of his; that he has pondered this idea more than a few times before.
This man’s greed for money has pushed him to the point of complete debauchery, as is evident in his hatred toward the non-tithing Christians. Furthermore, keep in mind the following points:
- Creflo Dollar began by saying that non-tithers will go to Hell (and later in the video, you can hear him teaching that tithing is required to “stay out of Hell” and that the tithe will “keep you in Heaven”…points that are works-based heresies that he believes and teaches).
- Despite this fact, he would like to have them executed and sent to Hell before holding his Nazi “church” service.
- Creflo then reveals that he actually believes that God would honor such cold-blooded murder by giving them the precious anointing of the Holy Spirit for their Nazi “church” service afterwards.
So what does the Bible say about such people as Creflo?
Bible Truth 2:
The New Testament is very clear that those who are murderers at heart—including those who hate their brethren without a biblical cause to do so—have NO eternal life within them. In other words, Creflo Dollar is not saved. If he were to die right now without first repenting and calling out to the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness…he would spend eternity in Hell itself.
Please note the following passages:
Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
(1 John 2:8-11, NKJV, emphasis added)
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.
Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
(1 John 3:10-15, NKJV, emphasis mine)
You have heard that it was said to those of old, “You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.” But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, “Raca!” shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, “You fool!” shall be in danger of Hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
(Matthew 5:21-24, NKJV, Words of Jesus in red, emphasis added)
The passages above make it clear that true Christians are to love people, and other Christians in particular—and that they certainly do NOT murder anyone in machine gun executions and bury them in mass graves.
Jesus also said above that for a “gift” to be accepted by Him, we need to first be reconciled with our brothers. So Creflo Dollar actually thinks he will “have the anointing” of God right after murdering people?
Bible Truth 3:
So in what passages of Scripture CAN we find Creflo’s type of behavior described? Here is one to ponder:
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
(Revelation 13:11-18, NKJV, emphasis added)
It would appear that the “number” of Creflo is the same number, because he is obviously of the same demonic spirit. This also speaks VOLUMES about Kenneth Copeland’s evil character, as he is more than happy to freely associate with and endorse such an antichrist heretic…a man who Kenneth has also mentored personally:
(End of Rich’s Section)
Creflo’s Heinous “Teaching”
Without further comment beforehand, here is the video itself (click on the blue “play” button below). Therein, you can hear Creflo’s own voice stating these very things (plus a few more heretical teachings besides):
Note: The previous YouTube video that we had posted above was removed from YouTube because of a fake “copyright” claim by Creflo Dollar’s lawyers, causing it to be removed from YouTube. So again, you can click here or upon the above “play” symbol above to play the video. (We had uploaded our own copy to our servers as a backup…just in case.) Our version plays just fine here on our website.
After all of this I should not have to say this, but if you are following Creflo Dollar, or anyone associated with him, get away.
Anyone who would joke about doing any kind of mass murder is evil and wicked. The scary thing is that Creflo actually did not sound like he was joking at all, especially when he said, “…if it were not for the Blood of Jesus, I would certainly try it.” His words were no different than those of a terrorist or Nazi concentration camp executioner. Run away from such ministers of Satan as fast as you can. Unless your aspiration in life is to work for the anti-Christ, there is no reason to listen to such heresy.
A Word to Creflo
As for you, Creflo Dollar, your best life certainly is now. Unless you repent and truly become born again, your earthly prosperity will one day be exchanged for Hell’s flames the moment you die. I don’t want to shoot you. I don’t want to throw your body in a hole and go back to have “church,” like you said you would like to do to non-tithers. No. I am a Christian. I want you saved.
In contrast, I do not hear ANY eternal redemption within your murderous message. It is straight from Hell’s pit. Notice what Jesus said to James and John when they spoke such murderous things…before they were born again:
And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”
But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”
(Luke 9:52-55, NKJV, emphasis added)
Do you know what demonic spirit you really are motivated by? Cry out to Jesus, Creflo! Cry out to the One true and living God—not for more money, but for your soul. Hell awaits unsaved religious frauds such as you, who lead God’s people astray:
They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.
(Matthew 15:14, NKJV, Words of Jesus in red, emphasis added)
But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to Hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—where “Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into Hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—where “Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into Hell fire—where “Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
(Mark 9:42-48, NKJV, Words of Jesus in red, emphasis added)
And it would be just as biblical to say, “It would be better for you to be broke and impoverished, than having earthly wealth and opulence, to die and go to Hell—into the fire that shall never be quenched, and where the worm does not die.” After all, didn’t Jesus say, “For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?” (Matthew 16:26).
Again, Jesus said that it would be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and to be thrown into the sea, than to lead God’s sheep astray and have to face eternal judgement.
As I pointed out previously to your buddy Leroy “Lucre-Loving” Thompson:
Creflo Dollar… judgement cometh.
*** TRAGIC UPDATE ***: Sadly, on June 8, 2012, Creflo Dollar was arrested for assaulting his 15-year old daughter in the kitchen of their family home. That terrible incident, and associated links for more information, can be found now here: Creflo Dollar: Arrested for Attacking Daughter